Well, this election has sure been a rollercoaster ride! I still recall the high level of enthusiasm during the Iowa caucus in January and thinking to myself “I can’t believe the elections aren’t even until November!” And now here we are, only a week away from Election Day.
In our last post, Lisa made some noteworthy points about Barack Obama regarding his radical pro-abortion record, his vast plan to increase government spending, and the negative overt and covert effects of his proposed tax plan for America.
But is that all we need to be concerned about with Barack Obama? No, regrettably, there are more troubling issues that cause us to pause and think twice about voting him into the presidency.
For one, we all know that Barack Obama is a gifted orator and very persuasive. His campaign hails him as a unifier who will pull down party lines to bring hope and change for this country. He claims he is a different kind of politician; a reformer, unshackled by the corruption of the Washington establishment. But does he even have a record of being this kind of leader?
As of late, there have been countless cases brought to our attention surrounding Obama’s campaign ethics. Take the news revealing the campaign’s online donation fraud. Obama’s website has at various times deliberately lowered their credit card security checks, permitting anyone with a credit card to make a donation. Columnist Mark Steyn reported one such incident. A reader of his tested Obama’s donation system by making a donation with his Mastercard using the name “Adolfe Hitler” of “#1 Reichstag Building, Berlin, Germany”. The system accepted it and he even received a welcome email which began “Dear Adolfe, thanks for joining this movement…” Fake names and addresses have gone through Obama’s online donation system breezily. On the other hand, McCain’s online donation system has not been so easily fooled.
Foreign monies have also been funneled into Obama’s fund through illegal means such as this. As stated in the National Journal, the Federal Election Committee (FEC) website has recorded approximately 13,000 unverified or overseas donors to Obama, totaling in the tens of millions of dollars. Campaign law prohibits anyone who isn’t a U.S. citizen or permanent resident from making donations. The Obama camp has done little to stop this before word got out.
Blatant violations of campaign finance law have caused an official investigation to be brought to the FEC against Obama’s campaign by the Republican National Convention.
Additionally, Obama camp’s reported that over $200 million of their campaign money was raised with donations of $200 or less, thereby not requiring the disclosure of the donors’ information. The New York Post reported that no presidential candidate has ever raised that much money with so many small donations. How do we know that millions of this money weren’t raised with false identities like “Adolfe Hitler”? With Obama’s deliberately low level of checks and balances, he has invited such illegal practices to prevail.
Is Obama a new kind of politician, transparent and free from corruption? Many of you may recall the part of Obama’s biography about his many years spent as a “community organizer”. It turns out his community organizing work was heavily intertwined with the crime-ridden group ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). What is ACORN anyway? ACORN is a nationwide non-profit “community organization” which claims to be non-partisan, and seeks to represent the poor and registers voters. But in reality, it has radical leftist origins, working to further liberal, socialist causes by specifically seeking only to register democrats. It has also been heavily involved in suing banks to force them to make bad loans to unqualified recipients, accusing banks of racism against minorities. Obama’s campaign has created websites to counter the ‘accusations’ about this association. Why is Obama trying to distance himself from this group now? In the past he has praised ACORN and even on his website he’s quoted as saying, “I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”
To be heavily associated with ACORN right now is something for Obama to be worried. It already has a history of voter registration fraud in many states. Right now, It is under investigation from the FBI for countless charges of voter fraud nationwide, many of its employees have been indicted and convicted, and it has admitted to fraud charges. The charges and evidence are astounding. Witnesses testify they used tactics like harassing citizens on the street to vote numerous times (one citizen registered to vote with them ten to fifteen times). Workers claim that this kind of practice is encouraged by ACORN’s supervisors. Investigations also found that its employees had registered many convicted felons, the dead, underage kids, and fictitious characters under false addresses. For example, investigators became suspicious of ACORN’s voter registration in Indiana after discovering that 105% of Indianapolis County’s population was registered to vote. In 2007 in Washington state, five workers were convicted of voter fraud. Over 1,700 of ACORN’s registrations were fraudulent in one Washington county alone, and 450 were registered at one address.
Obama’s connection with ACORN is closer than he has led us to believe. For example, he represented this group in some significant lawsuits, he worked as Executive Director of Project Vote in 1992 alongside ACORN, he has trained its workers in voter registration techniques, and not surprisingly, was endorsed by ACORN for president. He represented ACORN in a lawsuit against Citibank to force them to lend subprime mortgages to the unqualified. When he served on the boards of the non-profit Woods Fund along with former terrorist Bill Ayers, he approved grants for ACORN. Just earlier this year, his campaign paid an ACORN subsidiary organization $800,000 for voter registration services.
So is this the kind the President we want in the White House? One who has close ties with an organization that has committed countless felonious accounts of voter fraud? I’m not sure that this was the “hope” I was looking for.
Well there you have it! We haven’t even touched on all the troubling issues surrounding Obama, but I hope this much gives you a truer idea of who Barack Obama really is. So what to make of this candidate? He has created a public persona of embodying hope and change and promising reform to the old kind of politics. But considering all the staggering finance fraud he’s facilitated and the numerous problematic associations, not only with ACORN, one needs to reconsider what kind of President he will be if elected. That combined with his radical leftist stances on key issues, is why it’s NObama ’08 for me today.
[LS & AW]
Hmm, well I think you had a few good points there. I do have a few things that maybe you could answer though?
My first question is, though McCain has not lowered his credit card security, has he done anything underhand in this election that we know of?
My second, do we have any evidence that Obama was involved with anything bad involving ACORN? It seems this organisation has done a lot of bad things, but it seems like it has a basis of trying to help. Perhaps Obama was only involved in the positive side? Even the Red Cross was involved in some pretty bad involvements at certain times. But they’ve done a lot of good too. I just thought maybe it could be a similar situation?
Reply: Great questions Gretel. The National Journal has done a study comparing the two donation systems which shows the vast contrast in fraud on the two sides. Of course you can’t weed out everyone but Obama’s campaign has done little to help the situation. McCain has been a lot more transparent throughout this process. The McCain camp has also made available a complete database of all its donors, even those who contributed $200 or less, unlike Obama. All the names are searchable on his website http://www.mccain.com. I actually checked it out, it’s pretty cool. I guess Mike Huckabee gave McCain $2,300. How generous of him.
ACORN is one of the most troublesome associations concerning Obama that the American people want answers about. His heavy involvement with such a group tells us a lot about his character. Obama trained some of their leaders in Illinois in questionable and some claim illegal tactics. Obama has praised this organization all while many of these investigations were happening. We are not talking about just one or two instances of voter fraud in a concentrated area. Voter fraud investigations of ACORN are all across the nation (the Red Cross’s corruption pales in comparison). In the battleground states that will decide the outcome of the elections, it is very suspicious that those are the same states in which the biggest investigations of ACORN are happening. It is impossible for Obama to not have known about the rampant illegal activities of ACORN, considering he is close to some of its leaders, yet he hired them for almost a million dollars to register voters? As a token of information, the founders are radical leftists who wanted to overthrow American capitalism with techniques developed by the socialist Saul Alinsky, which Obama is very knowledgeable about. They purposely seek to register democrats only, in contrast to their non-partisan claim.
Voter fraud is not the only issue with ACORN. It has been heavily involved in harassing banks to lend out subprime mortages to the poor, by accusing them of racism and harassing their top employees and family members, enabling them to garner hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and donations from financial institutions. Obama was one of the lawyers who represented ACORN in a lawsuit that sued Citibank to force it to make bad loans to people who couldn’t afford it, which has of course contributed to the housing market meltdown we are experiencing right now. If you click on the links above, you will find out a lot more info which I haven’t touched on.
Aaron my man, well done my friend. Well Im an argumentative person and I am neither supporting Obama or McCain and neither saying you were right or wrong but tell me what you think. So as for recieving donations from overseas donators, I cant say that that is that big of an issue. Why shouldnt the rest of the world be able to donate? I mean the USA is the strongest economy in the world and either choice in president could dramatically affect other countries economies. Eg falling US economy has led to a decrease in the value of the Australian dollar because the US is no longer buying commodities and resources from Australia. I know its the princible but I cant say that its a huge issue. Secondly the credit card security. If you have the number for a credit card and the expiry date and name and 3 security digits of the card then you can donate. Address is irrelavent (ive never needed an address for online purchases except for a sending address if I ordered something). Now for the name part. If you have the security digits, expiry and security digits then your gonna have the name as well, so i guess the name is also irerlavent. Plus shouldnt it be up to the credit card companies to set the minimum standards of security rather than Obama. (and Obamas site probably does meet those standards). Also would Obama know what the security is on his site? He has probably never made a donation to himself plus thats the responsibility of his programer to monitor that type of stuff. And as for ACORN’s credibility. I dont know but shouldnt we draw conclusions from the FBI reports when they have fully investigated? (aim before we shoot?). Are there not bigger issues at hand than credit card security such as his policies and how they may effect our lives or effect our beliefs and values that we need to be concerned about rather than dwelling on the small stuff? Once again well done Aaron, you raised some good points, but there must be juicier stuff right?
Reply: I raised some interesting points, Andrew! I’d have to disagree with you though that these are inconsequential issues regarding any candidate. However, I can see where you’re coming from, as I would have thought the same thing when I first came to America. When I talk to my sister in Australia, she thinks it’s a little odd that I’m focusing on this stuff too.
American politics has been tainted by far too much corruption. Americans are so sick of politicians abusing their power for self-interest and committing felonious acts while telling the American people they are the bearers of the law. Obama’s campaign has shown he is just one of those politicians, willing and eager to accept tens of millions of dollars of illegal donations to further his self interest. What kind of president will he be, if he has shown he has no regards for the law?
Our democracy depends on the accuracy of our election system. ACORN has a long history of corruption going back decades, trying to rig elections in favor of democrat candidates like Obama. Obama’s long intimate relationship with ACORN demonstrates he would rather pay them to do this than maintain the integrity of our election system. The FBI investigations are just the current ones. They have been convicted of fraud many times in the past.
I gotta leave for school in a few, but I’ll be happy to tear this apart later <__>;
But I would like to mention that both Obama AND McCain want to increase spending, and McCain wants to actually increase it more than Obama does. (The figures are 1 trillion vs 1.25 trillion~). And Obama will have more revenue from taxes than McCain does, and he will withdraw from Iraq (~20 billion a month). Also Obama plans on cut unneeded funding (McCain says he wants to do that too, only example he’s given is earmark spending which makes up 0.6% of the budget)
Reply: With the economy not doing so well, I’m not sure that Obama will get the anticipated tax revenues from businesses who are forced to lay off their workers and reduce production.
Our deficit will be higher under Obama’s proposed budget than McCain’s, even if it will be high under either (Forbes has documented)
And ACORN has not committed voter fraud, they have committed registration fraud.
ACORN pays its workers to register people, the workers sometimes submit fake registrations just to meet their quota and get paid. ACORN is required by law to submit the registrations even if they think there’s something fishy about them. So if somebody signs up as mickey mouse, or a worker makes up their own names, it’s not voter fraud unless those people show up at the polls and vote.
And if Dems are trying to steal the election, perheps you could explain to me why new voters who are registering are being purged off the polls in Colorado, North Carolina, and Ohio? New voters do tend to favor Obama.
god damn it, I’m gonna be late <_<;
Reply: Voter fraud/voter registration fraud – the terms have been used interchangeably in the media and blogosphere to mean fraud associated with voters; voter fraud includes voter registration fraud and other types of fraud, and there have been cases where voters have actually fraudulently voted with the help of ACORN. But aren’t you missing the point about this whole thing?
Corruption in ACORN is from the top down. The crimes are so widespread it is ludicrous to believe that a few unknowing workers are to blame. ACORN has had a long history of offenses. They are an organization both liberals and conservatives should demand be held accountable for what they are doing to corrupt our election system. Voter suppression is nothing good either, but ACORN’s offenses are so much worse that there’s no comparison.
Anyway, sorry that writing your comment made you late and thanks for reading our blog.
Voter fraud and voter registration fraud are two different things.
I haven’t seen a case yet of voter fraud, where somebody who didn’t exist that was registered ended up voting. If such a case exists, I would like to know about it, have you seen any? And if ACORN is a strike against Obama, then it’s a striek against McCain too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI
ACORN is required by law to submit registration forms they get, as I said, whether or not they believe fraud is going on. Otherwise they could very easily just not register any Republicans and throw those out (as they are a Democratically leaned organization). What do you propose they do with the registrations they get then, when they have to submit them?
All this is are lazy workers who want to get paid. Now, if Mickey Mouse ends up voting in Florida, then it’ll become voter fraud and a problem.
Don’t worry, I wasn’t late
Reply: Well here’s one I just found by googling real quick: http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/10/17/acorn_voter_fraud_in_nm&Comments=true
Obama’s documented and verified close connections with ACORN are so extensive, it makes that video of McCain look insignificant.
And thanks for being such an avid reader of our blog.
Fred, I think youre points of debate dont hold much weight. So far, you have presented three things: 1)McCain’s budget plan is worse for America 2) It’s not voter fraud because voter registration and voter fraud are two things. 3) McCain is also involved with ACORN.
In response. 1) McCain’s budget plan is worse for a socialist nation, not American. America is built upon independence and capitalism. It is the big businesses that provide MILLIONS of jobs for the masses, without them, there would be high unemployment and further decline in economy. If Obama executes his budget plan, big business will run to the hills, in other words, they will move overseas. Not only will there be an astronomical loss of career opportunities for the average bachelors and high school degree citizen, but a huge loss of revenue taken in from the taxes already placed on those big businesses.
2)If it makes you happy, lets substitute all the times “voter fraud” was written, with your definition “voter registration fraud”. Happy? Theres still that word “fraud” that ACORN committed. Sad? You should be, no matter how you say it, and whether or not you want to go with your own lingo or the medias lingo, ACORN still has committed shameful and illegal acts, that should raise an eyebrow about how shady its business practices are.
3)Is that video all you have to show of McCains involvement with ACORN? Seriously? Anyone could have gone on the stage and said a short speech, but that doesn’t constitute his deep and ongoing involvement with the organization. To help you out, yes, there is more evidence of McCain having some involvement with ACORN, go research it yourself. BUT (big but) it is nowhere near the level of involvement and direction that B. Hussein Obama has with ACORN.
So as you can see, your argument is a flop. I was once an Obama supporter, until I was able to look past the fluff and smooth words and actually did MUCH research. This is America, not China, nor USSR. McCain is the better man for President. Spread the word and raise awareness!
I don’t understand why socialism is looked on as such a negative thing in this country, republicans act as if the word socialism is synonymous with communism. Look at socialistic economies, such as Canada. People love to joke about how Canada is our inconsequential neighbor to the north when, in actuality, they have a pretty stable economy as a result of having a mixed market. As far as history goes, republican economics make the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I find this comical since the right is usually synonymous with “Christian”. Would Jesus want a huge gap between the poor and rich? I feel like Jesus would probably be a socialist.
Want to put Obama’s comments to Joe the Plumber, his work with Acorn and other Community Organizations and his associations with extreme radicals all in the context of his worldview? Listen to this short audio of Obama in his own words from 2001:
Reply to Scott:
Considering socialist countries don’t tend to like Jesus very much, I don’t know if he’d go where he’s uninvited.
You don’t know if he’d go where he’s uninvited? I don’t feel like the Pharisees liked him too much, seeing as they are who plotted to kill him, and he confronted them every chance he got. I feel like Jesus wouldn’t really care about where he “should and shouldn’t” do.
Socialism and communism are based on the ideology that there is no God. The state is the new God and everyone works for the state. Marx described religion as “the opiate of the masses”. There may be Christian socialists but its atheistic origins are undeniable. Furthermore, are you suggesting that a socialist country like Canada is a model of how a Christian country should be? Then I suggest you look at the kind of laws these countries enact. They are overtly against the Christian religion having a place in society. Europe is a place where Christianity is dying and socialism rules. Those two factors are not mutually exclusive.
Later in this blog, we will definitely discuss why socialism and communism is a political and economic ideology that is problematic and has failed to deliver on its utopian promise. We will also explain why the socialist/communist worldview is not in line with biblical principles. Stay tuned!
You are mistakenly assuming I am pointing to socialism and communism as the “Christian” way of doing things, which I never asserted. Christianity is based upon the things Christ taught, yes? When I read the gospels I find no reference to the social system and governmental system that is condoned by God. I also don’t think Christ references whether gay marriage should be legal, or abortion for that matter. I think making judgments based upon what we think Christ stood for is dangerous. Christ associated with the socially marginalized, not the upstanding, wealthy, well-educated people. When you break down what Christ stood for, it comes to one word: Love. Bombing abortion clinics and spewing hate-speak about how “God hates fags” is not love. Why even bring this up is because I see a major flaw in tagging laws and legislation as “Christian”. From what we are told of Heaven, does it look like a Capitalistic, Democratic state? I think not. It seems like Communism and Socialism to me. A classless society where everyone works to help each other in communion with God. Why not make it on Earth as it is in Heaven. And as far as Marx describing religion as “the opiate of the masses” goes, I don’t feel as though that statement alone can make you deny that the idea of Communism and Socialism is a inherently Christian system. Look at it in its purest form, which can’t be achieved on Earth due to the fallen nature of man. It seems more compassionate than Capitalism. And as far as this election goes, I think we can put aside abortion and gay marriage aside for once in order to assure that our nation doesn’t end up being bankrupt.
Scott, you bring about a number of arguments all jumbled up. Know that many of the things you said makes me feel you are either too young to vote anyway, or not too educated in theology or politics.
Seeing that its not clear or concise, I rather not fully respond to the things you presented. e.g.:
“I feel like Jesus would probably be a socialist.” -Scott
“You don’t know if he’d go where he’s uninvited?” -Scott
Scott, you contradicted yourself in just two consecutive posts, you assume hed probably be a socialist, then you tell the author not to assume that Jesus wouldnt go where he’s invited.
I will say two things though, concerning abortion and gay marriages. Before I respond though, remember, I am neither republican, democratic, and do not assume I am of any “religion” – I try to tackle issues objectively and without bias, taking facts from the source. The Christian Bible says this in I CORINTHIANS 6:9-10: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUAL offenders, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
“I also don’t think Christ references whether gay marriage should be legal, or abortion for that matter.” -Scott
So, according to The Bible, if one cannot “inherit” the Kingdom of God by being homosexual, or even effeminate (which also has the definition of perversion), than I think its safe to say that maybe God doesnt like that sin very much? Wouldnt you agree? Please don’t say, “Oh, you took it out of context, or its just one passage”, because I could have never read the Bible, since I found that passage in a few seconds on google. Oh look, I found some more passages on Google.
“24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
“32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” -Romans Chapter 1
So not only would homosexuality be illegal, it should be punishable by DEATH! haha, Its amazing how far this “Christian” government has gone!
Concerning abortion, well, as a human being having been raised in a family that teaches morals and values, one of them is to respect life. I was scolded everytime I killed a cricket in the house. How much more valuable is a baby? Well, objectively, the PC word for killing is “abortion” and for baby it’s “fetus” to dehumanize what it really is. I will not argue this according to the bible, even though that was your platform, I do not want to incorporate any religion or belief – I don’t care if you’re Christian, Buddhist or Muslim – coming from the most objective SCIENTIFIC approach, purposefully terminating the life source of something that had life is unnacceptable, no matter how you spin it. A fetus, is still a human, if it has its own DNA independent of its mother, its own heartbeat, independent of its mother, you cannot say its just a piece of the mother, as you would refer to a tumor, a wart, a toenail, et. al. Just because it’s inside a womb, doesn’t make it any less of what a human is. According to U.S. federal law, every human should be given human rights, therefore, fetus’ deserve human rights. What’s worse, Barry is known to defend infanticide! You can find this story all over the internet, heres just one video I found on youtube to give you an idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA
Scott, thanks for your thoughts, but please present your points of debate more clearly. I would like to help you in this learning process. I know politics is a difficult subject, it requires knowledge of history, laws, current events, foreign policies, the list goes on. Maybe you could intern in your local Mayors office, and go from there.
First of all, I’d like to say: Lisa and Aaron, Well done on this blog! It’s a great resource and I’m glad you guys are defending conservative values.
I’ve been following the “tit for tat” between Keentoconvene, Scott and Joe the Plumber. However, I must say, Joe, you seem to really hit the target on your last message.
I would also like to point out some contradictions that Scott made. You said “You are mistakenly assuming I am pointing to socialism and communism as the “Christian” way of doing things, which I never asserted” but then in your previous post you stated “I feel like Jesus would probably be a socialist”. Seeing that Jesus is the role model for all Christians, it seems you are asserting that Christians ought to be socialists…(Just like Jesus :p)
You also said “I think making judgments based upon what we think Christ stood for is dangerous” but then you go and make all these judgements on what YOU think Christ stood for. It seems this is a bit contradictory…If you believe that you shouldn’t make judgements on what Christ stood for, then why did you think that Jesus would be a socialists? You’re obviously making some judgements.
Scott you may have to take some advice from Joe, maybe Ralph Nadar has a position. I’m sure he’s under staffed.
Thanks keentoconvene! Keep it up.
I concede that you have pointed out a contradiction I have made, although, it is illustrated in the gospels that Jesus did things that weren’t socially acceptable at the time, thus going where he “wasn’t invited”. As far as my assumption that Jesus would be a socialist, I only brought up the possibility that Jesus would be socialistic, I never said “Jesus is a socialist.” As far as what the bible says about homosexuality and abortion, you have to look at the context in which that document was written. A lot of the punishments laid out for these sins were more appropriate for the time period in which they were written. Oh, and as far as me being educated in theology, I am a religion major
and I will be voting in this election. Just because I don’t take too much time to outline my thoughts doesn’t mean I am ill-educated. Oh, and while on the subject of abortion, it is easy to say abortion is bad until you, or someone you know, is faced with a situation in which it is an option. One of my best friends has had an abortion, and I don’t really think she would appreciate being told how wrong it is. I’m not saying it is right, but I feel like it is hard to make an absolute call on that. Once again, this post will probably be torn apart, but I just thought I would share my thoughts again.
Thanks Scott, it is not my intention to intentionally tear your post apart. But it would be nice if you reevaluated your thoughts on these issues. Just to share, I had a friend who had an abortion. She is currently having medical problems, and afraid that she might not be bear anymore children. She also felt comfortable enough to share to me about how she wishes she could turn back time. She tells me she has spells of depression because of thoughts, such as, if I didnt have an abortion, I would have a 9 year old child right now, hed be in fourth grade, have friends, id watch him do plays and recitals. I’d be able to hug my child, read bed stories when I could. I then asked her why she had the abortion. She said there were a few reasons, but one of the main things was it was an easy way out, since she wasnt married, and she felt she couldnt raise a child alone, since the guy ditched her in a way. He and her made a mistake, and wasnt planning for pregnancy. But, at the end, she said, if it wasnt a legal option, she would have had the child, but since it was a legal option and the “easy” way out, she just went with it, not realizing how it would affect her now. In the end, two wrongs dont make a right – killing your baby, after mistakenly conceiving one is just compounding your mistake. After all, there’s nothing “easy” about abortion.
Hey Scott,
It takes a lot to concede, so I give you mad props. I don’t discredit your best friends story because abortion is definitely a touchy subject…
Can I give you a video to watch? Most people could care less about links to this site or that but this video really changed my thinking. http://durarealidad.com/ (Click english)
I don’t think you are uneducated. I think you will be able to make a good judgement after watching this video.
There are somethings words cannot explain.
Thanks a lot for your thoughts! Some great discussions on this site.
So i mean, Joe the Plummer? you start your side out by knocking scott by saying he does not know his s***, or is too young to vote. So i guess you are ready for politics. the real thing is both of you present good things, accept them. what good are its people when they spend the whole election year arguing about why they president is so worthless. Looking at the masterpiece you produced eight years ago, i feel the lefties should have more to complain about that the republicans. But as the raging left wing fanatic that i am, i must admit that even in the midst of the bush circus, i was supportive. why? because he is the leader of our nation. he messed up, oh did he, but out of all my republican friends, who voted for him, i stood by him. why? because he is the president, and they all mess up. i bet you are the one who tags Clinton as terrible president just because he got some in office, but did we elect him for his personal life, or what he did for the country? because if i am correct, which i am, he has been the best president we have had, since longer than your lifetime im sure. and bush? he did not real moral screw ups like clinton, but screwed the nation 5 ways to tuesday. so dont be dumb. stand by who you have, deal with it.
No Socialism is a christian thought, so whoever told you it isint does not know what they are talking about. tell me how equality is not a christian way? no one said anyting about the execution of the plan, but in its rawest from, and ran correctly, is very christian. much like my friend scott sees in canada.
Obama ‘08
So i love you all, God Bless, and i cant wait for all the Christain’s here to bash this
Rom 1:16
-A Disciple Of Jesus Christ
I definitely do not condone abortion, don’t get me wrong, and my friend also has regrets on a regular basis. And thank you for the video, it was very good. I could never handle an abortion myself to be completely honest, I just can’t bring myself to take that option away from everyone, because who knows what the individual circumstances are you know? And Plumber Joe, I can see how if it wasn’t a legal option it would solve a lot of the touchiness of the subject. It is never an easy choice. I agree completely that two wrongs don’t make a right, I have heard numerous motivational (that sounds way too cheesy but I can’t think of another way to put it) speakers who have actually been born of rape. If those individuals were denied life, the world would be missing really great people. Also, I have a tough time articulating my values on these message boards, I just wish y’all could get inside my head, I have a passion for current events and politics, as well as theology. I just wish I could portray what is exactly in my head, but I suppose it it tough when I have so many ideas going on in my head, some of them conflicting. I am always evolving my thoughts on things and my stances and I hate to fall into misinformation. I really appreciate all of the arguments you guys have laid out before me
I feel obligated to say that I too have evaluated Barack Obama myself after taking a closer look at what he actually stands for, although I will still probably be voting for him, I have been able to look past his speaking ability and his silver tongue to see what he really stands for. It has become a really difficult election for me and it will probably come down to the day of sending off my ballot before I make a final decision.
Oh and by the way, I am in no way disagreeing with anything this blog says, it is brilliantly written and brings up numerous points that typical Obama supporting clones either deny or are just oblivious to. Just thought I would give props to the authors!
Keep it up
Hey Everyone! Thanks a lot for the in depth debates. However Keen To Convene will not tolerate swearing and crude jokes. Please don’t even imply that you are using a swear word or else we will need to delete it. Let’s keep our comments G rated ok.
By the way, Mr. “I Can See Canada From My House?” we had to **** out your swear word. I hope you understand :p.
hey my bad, it slipped
Hi: It is great to see young people like you two take such an intrest in this country. Keep it up.
Lisa’s Uncle in Michigan
Roger